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  • #15032
    AvatarAAA
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    Though not strictly Rules I am interested in hearing how the change is going on down there. Golf is in complete lockdown here and we only introduced WHS in November so not much playing experience. But the big issue is with so many people not being able to understand the difference between Course Rating and Slope.
    Rather surprisingly, the changes from CONGU handicap values to WHS values hasn’t really been an issue.

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    #15061
    OldBogeyOldBogey
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    Generally, it is widely understood and accepted.
    But there are plenty who just want to bo told what handicap they’re playing off today and couldn’t be bothered with the technicalities.

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    #15063
    CommishCommish
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    A lot less big swing movements with the WHS, especially with the introduction of the ‘soft cap’. The thing I found strange (as did many others) was the 3 stroke change in handicap between the slope on the day. At my home course, midweek off whites on a slope of 130 with a scratch rating of 71 against par of 72 lose a stroke. Weekend off blues with a slope of 132 with scratch rating of 74 against par of 72 gain 3 shots
    But I am one of those that just sees the daily handicap at the top of the scorecard and goes and plays. How it is worked out is inconsequential (and hurts my small brain) to me.

    #15065
    AvatarAAA
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    When did WHS go live there?

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    #15069
    CommishCommish
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    When did WHS go live there?

    • This reply was modified 1 month ago by AvatarAAA.

    30/1/2020

    #15088
    OldBogeyOldBogey
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    We had most of the WHS elements beforehand; slope, best 8 of 20, etc.
    But Golf Australia (GA) like to exercise their muscle and toy with us.
    We also had a 7% deduction in the calculated handicap. But, if my memory serves me correctly, that’s not part of WHS. So, GA added that back in as a local thing and apply it the playing handicap.
    The adjustment for the difference between the scratch rating and par has also been a more recent change (part of WHS?).

    So, to get your playing handicap, one must ascertain your GA Index, (your ‘official’ or ‘published’ handicap,) then:
    (GA × slope ÷ 113 + scratch – par) × 0.93

    You can understand why many just want to know the handicap number for today.

    I appreciate the desire to have difficulty fairly evaluated between courses. But in the case of my local course usual men’s tees, the par is 71 but the scratch rating is 69. So the playing handicap is discounted by two strokes. Effectively, they are saying that two of the par 4 holes are only par 3s. Which two? All the calculations that go into rating a hole should result in a whole number. Either the hole is a par 4 or it’s a par 3. We aren’t scored for example 3.3 in playing a hole, we are scored on the number of strokes taken to hole out. Whether your last stroke was 10cm or 10m is not taken into account. So, why are the ratings done with decimal places?

    Whinge over. At least it will make us more competitive for pennant.

    People say that nothing is impossible, but I do nothing every day.
    West Gippsland Veterans Champion 2017 & 2018
    Olinda Golf Club B Grade Champion 2018
    Warragul Country Club C Grade Champion 2019
    West Gippsland Veterans B Grade Champion 2019
    Nothing for 2020

    #15515
    AvatarAAA
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    The .93 was moved from the original place to allow for the difference between stroke play and match play. GA and the USGA had a ‘bonus for excellence’ (.96 in the US) to compensate for the bias in stroke play favouring the higher handicappers. This has now been moved to the Playing Handicap calculation (95%) for competition result purposes. The Course Handicap is used for Handicap Index purposes.
    However, contrarily, the stats for match play show that the lower handicapper will beat the higher capper more often than not. In fact 55% of the time. So no adjustment is made for match play.

    PS. Having reread your response I am now wondering if the GA version of the WHS manual is different from the USGA, European and CONGU (ie GB&I) versions. All of which have slight variations.

    The USGA version says:
    6.1a For an 18-hole Round
    An 18-hole Course Handicap is calculated as follows:
    Course Handicap = Handicap Index x (Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (Course Rating – par)

    A Playing Handicap is calculated as follows:
    Playing Handicap = Course Handicap x handicap allowance
    The handicap allowance for stroke play being 95%

    #15516
    AvatarAAA
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    Whilst the USGA and Europe say:
    An 18-hole Course Handicap is calculated as follows:
    Course Handicap = Handicap Index x (Slope Rating ÷ 113) + (Course Rating – par)

    CONGU says:
    An 18-hole Course Handicap is calculated as follows:
    Course Handicap = Handicap Index x (Slope Rating ÷ 113)

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